| Don't believe in science. It's just what we think we know when we really don't know anything. Science was man made so how can people believe it but say religion is bs? It doesn't make much sense. If you don't believe in one you can't believe in the other. Science in essence is nature. It's just there. A reaction is nature, not science. Everything made has been here we just put it together and it worked. Nature is all we need. |
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| lol yea where's the evidence that water is a liquid? You saw water? pffft, anecdotal evidence is = NO EVIDENCE |
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| Is this a troll post? Science is not man made. It's a language for people to describe the world. |
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| Religion is man-made too, so it's not any more credible if that's the only thing you use as a criteria. I'm glad you're not high enough to think nature does not exist :D |
lucjan said: What? So that same can be said for religion then.Is this a troll post? Science is not man made. It's a language for people to describe the world. |
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| There's actually some religions that grow and change. Christianity and Buddhism are two examples. Science changes because natures changes all the time. And some people treat science as fact, or if we can't prove it through science it's not real which I don't agree with. Science can also contradict itself at times but no one cares. I don't take it for granted but I just believe it's nature. Medicine comes from nature. Technology as well. I feel we have put science on too high a pedestal @jixte |
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| Science is decolonized and is super racist. It needs to be told from an african perspective. I drink the juju juice and wipe my ass with loin cloths. |
| Welp, I just saw a thought process that really blows my mind away that someone from this century can ever think. First and foremost, Science is simply: is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. It's not even a belief system... |
| There isn't any good reason to believe in religion, and it's certainly not something you "know" under what religious people call "absolute knowledge". It's a delusion that you'd believe something you have no evidence or good reason for i.e god. Believing in science is intelligent because of it's continued reliability. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| I understand you OP. Like you, it's not science shit funk'n with my head when I smoke ganja, but Gaïa taking me for a wild ride over the fields of Valhalla. Come with us in the arms of Mother Gaïa, MAL users, and she'll deliver you of your pain and anxiety. |
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| Science is a method, not the facts themselves. You're getting your shit mixed up. |
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| Science isn't a belief system, or a religion. It's just a method for investigating phenomena. |
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| That's enough Bible thumping for today OP |
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mascarpone said: But there is a common belief held by many people who use "science" to back their arguments - it's the belief that something cannot exist unless there is proof. Well there are different levels of the belief, I just mentioned the most extreme. Some believe that something cannot exist unless there is evidence, some believe that there's no point in looking into something if we don't currently know how to prove it, and allot will only apply this belief to things they disagree with. Example, they don't believe in God because of no evidence, but believe in aliens, even though there is no evidence.Science isn't a belief system, or a religion. It's just a method for investigating phenomena. |
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| @jixte the sad part is some of those medicines are probably found but they won't release them until they can make a nice price for it. And I meant no offense!! I wish you the best of luck in your studies :) @clebardman that is a really good song, they know their stuff. @thebraininthejar I'm not following you |
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UnpopularAnime said: I see what you are saying. Those kind of people treat science like it's a religion, but they seem more like zealots than scientists to me.mascarpone said: But there is a common belief held by many people who use "science" to back their arguments - it's the belief that something cannot exist unless there is proof. Well there are different levels of the belief, I just mentioned the most extreme. Some believe that something cannot exist unless there is evidence, some believe that there's no point in looking into something if we don't currently know how to prove it, and allot will only apply this belief to things they disagree with. Example, they don't believe in God because of no evidence, but believe in aliens, even though there is no evidence.Science isn't a belief system, or a religion. It's just a method for investigating phenomena. |
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UnpopularAnime said: If they aren't using the scientific method to investigate their beliefs, then no, they aren't using "science" to back up arguments.mascarpone said: But there is a common belief held by many people who use "science" to back their arguments - it's the belief that something cannot exist unless there is proof. Well there are different levels of the belief, I just mentioned the most extreme. Some believe that something cannot exist unless there is evidence, some believe that there's no point in looking into something if we don't currently know how to prove it, and allot will only apply this belief to things they disagree with. Example, they don't believe in God because of no evidence, but believe in aliens, even though there is no evidence.Science isn't a belief system, or a religion. It's just a method for investigating phenomena. Some wacko claiming they believe in aliens doesn't have anything to do with science. |
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| Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who genuinely believes religion and science can coexist, and that they complement each other quite well. |
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mochakawaiibear said: Don't believe in science. It's just what we think we know when we really don't know anything. Well if you can prove we don't really know what we think we know in a really really really sustainable way over a long period of time, you can prove modern science wrong and therefore contribute to science. Science was man made so how can people believe it but say religion is bs? It doesn't make much sense. If you don't believe in one you can't believe in the other. Natural science is the study of what can actually be physically observed, unlike religion. Science in essence is nature. It's just there. A reaction is nature, not science. Everything made has been here we just put it together and it worked. Nature is all we need. Science is the attempted understanding and study of nature. People like to know how things happen and have happened. It is beneficial and filled with people willing. It has helped with extremely minor things like use of electricity. Or, plastic, or agriculture, medicine. These are of course just footnotes in society. |
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| Science is just a theory. Simple, well that's what i'd say at least ;) But yeah, totally agree with you. |
| wow man that is some REAL and INCITEFUL comentary u should right a book or somethn |
mochakawaiibear said: @jixte the sad part is some of those medicines are probably found but they won't release them until they can make a nice price for it. And I meant no offense!! I wish you the best of luck in your studies :) @clebardman that is a really good song, they know their stuff. @thebraininthejar I'm not following you "The earth is round" is a fact, not science. Science is the method - collecting evidence, objective research, peer-review, understanding causation/correlation and so forth. It gets more complex, but science is how we gain knowledge and not the knowledge itself. |
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UnpopularAnime said: The difference between those would be that nature keeps amazing us, we have animals that can change their sexes and live in the most extreme habitats, therefore it's a more logical claim to say that life on other planets is worth looking into. As the Miller Urey experiment showed us, basic organic life can come from nothing, so it follows that this could happen on other planets. (The evidence being that planets have chemicals and environments like earth, and that life can emrge from non life).mascarpone said: But there is a common belief held by many people who use "science" to back their arguments - it's the belief that something cannot exist unless there is proof. Well there are different levels of the belief, I just mentioned the most extreme. Some believe that something cannot exist unless there is evidence, some believe that there's no point in looking into something if we don't currently know how to prove it, and allot will only apply this belief to things they disagree with. Example, they don't believe in God because of no evidence, but believe in aliens, even though there is no evidence.Science isn't a belief system, or a religion. It's just a method for investigating phenomena. Religion has flawed premises to begin with, it claims that something can't come from nothing, and that the universe exists therefore it had to have a cause. These are both claims you can't demonstrate as we have nothing to compare with "nothing" or other universe models. Religion also says you can't claim to know for absolute certainty therefore it follows that the universe does need a cause, or that you could be a brain in a jar or whatever else. Just because we don't claim absolute certainity it doesn't therefore mean anything is possible either. |
Dick_DawkinsNov 16, 2016 6:40 AM
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
vriskabell said: Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who genuinely believes religion and science can coexist, and that they complement each other quite well. You're not the only one. The major part of the conflict comes from those who try to commandeer science to validate their own worldview, whether naturalist or theist. OT: Science is a methodology, but the popular view has become so twisted because of the implications certain claims have on worldviews. It's as inane as saying "politics say that communism is the best", or "agriculture says that corn is a bad crop" or "literature says that Africans can't write." |
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Dick_Dawkins said: UnpopularAnime said: The difference between those would be that nature keeps amazing us, we have animals that can change their sexes and live in the most extreme habitats, therefore it's a more logical claim to say that life on other planets is worth looking into. As the Miller Urey experiment showed us, basic organic life can come from nothing, so it follows that this could happen on other planets. (The evidence being that planets have chemicals and environments like earth, and that life can emrge from non life).But there is a common belief held by many people who use "science" to back their arguments - it's the belief that something cannot exist unless there is proof. Well there are different levels of the belief, I just mentioned the most extreme. Some believe that something cannot exist unless there is evidence, some believe that there's no point in looking into something if we don't currently know how to prove it, and allot will only apply this belief to things they disagree with. Example, they don't believe in God because of no evidence, but believe in aliens, even though there is no evidence. Religion has flawed premises to begin with, it claims that something can't come from nothing, and that the universe exists therefore it had to have a cause. These are both claims you can't demonstrate as we have nothing to compare with "nothing" or other universe models. Religion also says you can't claim to know for absolute certainty therefore it follows that the universe does need a cause, or that you could be a brain in a jar or whatever else. Just because we don't claim absolute certainity it doesn't therefore mean anything is possible either. Well that's just reasoning instead of evidence, but the reasoning isn't any more valid for one side or the other. For aliens: Life somehow evolved here, so it might somehow evolve somewhere else. (but we don't know for sure that it wasn't created) For a creator: We have created many worlds on computers, and in the future we will create one just as complex as our own. So someone may have created us. Well there is a difference, we know that we have created worlds, but we don't know that life has evolved out of nothing. But there isn't any difference in the likelihood of either, based on what we know. |
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| Science isn't wrong, it's just incomplete. It never will be complete because there are always new things to learn. Religion is "complete" and it's also complete bullshit since it's based on what was known thousands of years ago and doesn't line up with what we now know about the universe. |
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UnpopularAnime said: No evidence points towards creation so it's again not good to reason that we don't know for sure life wasn't created. You should google the Miller Urey experiment and see what it is and explain why that couldn't happen on other planets. Dick_Dawkins said: The difference between those would be that nature keeps amazing us, we have animals that can change their sexes and live in the most extreme habitats, therefore it's a more logical claim to say that life on other planets is worth looking into. As the Miller Urey experiment showed us, basic organic life can come from nothing, so it follows that this could happen on other planets. (The evidence being that planets have chemicals and environments like earth, and that life can emrge from non life). Religion has flawed premises to begin with, it claims that something can't come from nothing, and that the universe exists therefore it had to have a cause. These are both claims you can't demonstrate as we have nothing to compare with "nothing" or other universe models. Religion also says you can't claim to know for absolute certainty therefore it follows that the universe does need a cause, or that you could be a brain in a jar or whatever else. Just because we don't claim absolute certainity it doesn't therefore mean anything is possible either. Well that's just reasoning instead of evidence, but the reasoning isn't any more valid for one side or the other. For aliens: Life somehow evolved here, so it might somehow evolve somewhere else. (but we don't know for sure that it wasn't created) For a creator: We have created many worlds on computers, and in the future we will create one just as complex as our own. So someone may have created us. Well there is a difference, we know that we have created worlds, but we don't know that life has evolved out of nothing. But there isn't any difference in the likelihood of either, based on what we know. It will always boil down to faith with religion because there's still no reason to believe it's true. Any way it's ever been argued has always boiled down to not being sure and needing faith, it's amazing people still use apologetics to defend it. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
Dick_Dawkins said: uh yea that's my point... and there's no evidence for aliens either....UnpopularAnime said: No evidence points towards creation so it's again not good to reason that we don't know for sure life wasn't created. You should google the Miller Urey experiment and see what it is and explain why that couldn't happen on other planets. Well that's just reasoning instead of evidence, but the reasoning isn't any more valid for one side or the other. For aliens: Life somehow evolved here, so it might somehow evolve somewhere else. (but we don't know for sure that it wasn't created) For a creator: We have created many worlds on computers, and in the future we will create one just as complex as our own. So someone may have created us. Well there is a difference, we know that we have created worlds, but we don't know that life has evolved out of nothing. But there isn't any difference in the likelihood of either, based on what we know. It will always boil down to faith with religion because there's still no reason to believe it's true. Any way it's ever been argued has always boiled down to not being sure and needing faith, it's amazing people still use apologetics to defend it. |
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lucjan said: Science is not man made. It's a language for people to describe the world. You just stated an oxymoron. "Language" is man-made. Science is too. Religion is too(?) - Anything that was developed by man, in a spiritual sense or otherwise is "man made." This is not to say Religion isn't more than we make it out to be, likewise for Science - it's just saying that it's a construct we've made regardless of it's origin. Yes Science is man-made. Humans strive for control (whether this be positive or negative) and to facilitate control over the natural world we quantify it - hence we have Science. Now this is bad and good; bad in the sense that we heavily over analyse things but good in the sense that it leads to human innovation. The only "natural" elements around us would be the sun, the grass, the trees, etc (assuming they've not been modified in some way). Of course they also don't have these names; they are simply objects which we've "defined." Don't think too far into it, it'll get confusing. To answer the original question, yes Science is man-made. |
| science is not man made, it's a method used to know things through the only reliable method we know: maths. Science is boring af |
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zombie_pegasus said: Science isn't wrong, it's just incomplete. It never will be complete because there are always new things to learn. Religion is "complete" and it's also complete bullshit since it's based on what was known thousands of years ago and doesn't line up with what we now know about the universe. That becomes contradictory because if it is "incomplete", then something not lining up with what we know now is not an issue because it could very well turn out that it lines up down the road. That is one of the problems with trying to compare a static position to a changing one. The one that changes could always revert to the static, then change, then do so over and over again. Just as an aside, there are plenty of things that were "known" thousands of years ago that are still accepted pretty much universally today. Even more interesting, there are things that were "known" thousands of years ago that were rejected later on but were once again accepted recently because it turns out they were right all along. Go figure, eh? To summarize, science cannot be "wrong" because it is a methodology with no voice. Scientists on the other hand can most certainly be wrong for several reasons including new information, but also interpreting current information in the wrong way or arriving at erroneous conclusions based on pre-established viewpoints and notions. |
RedRoseFringNov 16, 2016 10:02 PM
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| Sometimes I wonder if science isn't simply another phase in humanity's everlasting quest in observing and explaining the world around us. Much like how the ancients used gods to explain the cycles of nature and life. Though I don't know how it becomes any more clairvoyant as it is now. |
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| You were "man-made", therefore you are not real either. |
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| Obvious troll topic, but i feel like posting anyways. You can't talk about science when you don't know what science is. It's origins surpass even the oldest of mythologies and religions, and have even been the philosophical basis for the origins of numerous religions in the endeavour so draw a picture to fill in the gaps of that which we do not understand. Science is a methodology, with it's origins before recorded history, and has gone through many phases. The most accurate and clear explanations come from ancient Greece, of which a lot of important philosophies and denotations were lost in inference by those who came after. People trying to interpret things that were far more sophisticated than their meager experiences could allow them to understand leads to misunderstandings, which leads to delusions and dogma. You aren't going to understand the power of science without understanding ἀνάγκη(ananke, approximately means "necessity" or "inevitability", the unavoidable fact of there only being one objective truth). The same happens in science even today. Much of the great works of electrical engineers and theorists like Faraday, Maxwell, Heaviside, Tesla, Steinmetz, are contorted, lost, misunderstood and bent to the will of those who're victim to the dogma of particle-psychosis, which is just a new-age atomist cult which they call "quantum". You're wasting your time criticizing things you don't understand, and favouring other things which you equally don't understand. Buddhism is a monistic ontology of the most hardcore kind, but over the ages it was perverted into this convoluted mass of biased thinking which goes against the oldest of writings of the principles of buddhism itself (have fun reading ancient Pali). Don't get me started on Christianity, because they're just glorified plagiarists, and one of the religions with the most ignorance-driven inhumane atrocities to it's name. |
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